Major Mark Cunningham – 6 Hypnosis CDs
Salepage : Major Mark Cunningham – 6 Hypnosis CDs
Frank Kermit held a series of audio interviews from 2006 to 2007, which can be found on YouTube and on the media portion of the FrankTalks.com website. Mark Cunningham, a self-described renegade hypnotist who assists males with confidence, dating, and relationships, was one of those interviewed. The complete interview is transcribed here.
Mark Cunningham Interview by Frank
Mark discusses subjects such as in Part 1 of this six-part interview series.
How he came to be a hypnotist
Is hypnosis real?
What exactly is hypnosis?
The “frightening” aspects of hypnosis
Transcript:
Part 1 of 6 of the Mark Cunningham interview
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Frank: You’re listening to Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles, and I’m Frank because it’s necessary. On today’s program, we welcome Mark Cunningham, Renegade Hypnotist. He was one of the persons that helped create foundations in the seduction community, and he currently appears on Frank Talks Pleasure and Lifestyles. Mark, welcome to the studio.
Cunningham, Mark: Hello, Frank. How are things going for you?
Frank: All right, and I’ll begin with my first question, Mark. Where were you born, and tell me about your childhood and time in the military that lead you to being a hypnotist?
Cunningham, Mark: Actually, Frank, I’m a Midwestern American lad. I was born in Adrian, Michigan, not far from you, and spent my formative years there until high school.
Basically, I’m a timid, self-effacing, much too intelligent, physically undeveloped, nerdy and gawky American background. I did a long stint in the military. That is undeniably correct. Many people heard the stories that came out of that time, and after I rotated out of the military, I pursued various academic degrees at Michigan State University up to the Masters level before moving on to the corporate sector as a software architect. I finally left that job to become a full-time professional hypnotist.
Frank: What was your first exposure to hypnosis, for example, when you first saw it in action and thought, “Oh, this could be something I want to go into?”
Mark Cunningham: That’s a clever question because after I discovered what hypnosis was, it turns out I first met it at my mother’s knee.
My first official exposure to it was at university, where I had a full ride scholarship, so I rotated among all of the academic majors, being cautious not to complete one so that I could keep the scholarships.
I was in Psychology while going through ‘Ps,’ and I completed an internship with a psychiatrist on the faculty who worked in a huge VA hospital. The Veterans Administration Hospitals in the United States are government hospitals that serve only veterans of the armed services, and we were dealing with a number of Vietnam War veterans. We were dealing with Post-Horrific Stress Disorder, and he was doing some interesting stuff with hypnosis in terms of regressing back to traumatic incidents and shedding emotional charge so people could go on and live productive lives, as well as this one intriguing experiment on time dilation.
It was with the Detroit Police Department, so basically all of these cops who are all staff were running about sitting on their buttocks, sipping coffee, eating doughnuts, and then suddenly thrown into a life-or-death scenario. They would literally say “Shazzam” to themselves, and the entire world would slow down, as if it were in slow motion. And the cops would remain untouched, allowing them to carry on as usual. So, of course, they move at breakneck speed in real life.
“Oh my God, I’ve got to learn how to do this stuff,” I thought as I witnessed it in action.
Frank: Now, let’s go over some fundamentals. What exactly are we talking about when we talk about hypnosis? Is there a Major Mark definition of hypnosis?
Cunningham, Mark: Yes, there is such a thing as hypnosis, and it is divided into two sections. The first is that you create a mental condition in which you no longer make key judgments. That is, you aren’t passing judgment. You’re not saying whether anything is nice or terrible, whether it’s me or not, or whether it’s true or untrue. You’re just in a state where everything is equally experienced.
The establishment of acceptable selective focus is the second half of the conventional definition. That is to say, they are not distracted by anything and instead focus on whatever is causing the trance. But the reason this works is due to a mental principle known as disassociation, and all that is is our ability to use this supercharged human brain to perform multiple trains of thought.
Some of these are directly related to things we see in real life that are concrete, that we can agree on, that we can call reality. Most of them are not, so with any hypnotic induction, we basically bump the subject off the track of consensual reality and move them into one of these disassociated streams of thought, so that all of a sudden they are off on something that appears compellingly real, just as real as anything else, but it is not actually real in the sense that anyone else may see, hear, or experience it.
Frank: I have a question for you right now.
Mark Cunningham: Sure thing.
Frank: One of the most common criticisms leveled at hypnosis is that it does not work. It does not exist in reality. However, it is the person’s belief that they are hypnotized that causes the effects to occur. What are your thoughts on such statements?
Cunningham, Mark: So, let me give you a two-part answer. The first is that we aren’t really operating on real things in the first place. Consider everyone you know: your friends, your coworkers; they are all moving through the world with their own personal blend of reality that no one else shares, and yet there is enough overlap that we can say, “OK, there is a span that we call consensual reality.”
But it’s all based on our own little version of reality, and all hypnosis is is guiding someone into a new version of that totally made-up reality that serves the hypnotist’s purpose.
The second point to mention is that hypnosis has been proven. There are numerous medical studies being published right now. “Oh, look, when someone is “hypnotized,” you see that part of the brain that’s involved in processing thought logically just lights up dramatically because that part has to work so much harder when a person is hypnotized.”
The hypnotist, on the other hand, can tell you from experience that, yes, that logical part is suspended and you move it into something called trance-logic, which is why you can talk to someone who is hypnotized into almost anything.
The idea that someone believes in it in the first place, and thus hypnosis does not exist, is simply someone who is going along with your suggestion. When you think about it, that fits the definition of hypnosis.
Frank: Okay, now we get to the scary parts of hypnosis.
Oh, good. Mark Cunningham:
Frank: And now…
Mark Cunningham: I love it when a hypnotist talks on the radio about the scary aspects of hypnosis.
Frank: Okay, fine. Let’s see if we can find something to pique the interest of our listeners. Where do the concepts of free will and responsibility for one’s own actions come in if people are so susceptible to hypnosis that they end up doing things they wouldn’t normally be or have the capacity to do if I’m attempting to hypnotize them and get them to strictly consider things they wouldn’t normally have considered?
Mark Cunningham: We tell all of our new students that no one who is hypnotized will do anything that goes against their ethics or beliefs. In other words, even if someone is hypnotized, you cannot force them to do something they are unwilling to do.
That is a belief system appropriate for beginners, because we don’t want them to get overly adventurous with this stuff. So when we tell them that, they go off, confident that they can’t possibly mess up anyone and that everything is fine.
Now, in advanced classes, we tell people that, yes, the first law, which states that you cannot force anyone to do anything contrary to their belief systems or ethics, is correct. But there is a catch: hypnosis has a very powerful effect on belief systems, and if you know this technology extremely well and are sufficiently adept and comfortable with it, you can in fact change people’s belief systems dramatically. As a result, you can persuade them to do almost anything you can think of.
It’s not something you’d normally do. It’s certainly not common in therapy, but you do work with belief systems, so when you get them to believe they’re not a smoker, or that they can lose weight, or that they can accept themselves for who they are. It’s similar to turning them into criminals, changing their basic sexuality, or changing their ethics or morals, which is typically done over time or when someone is physically isolated. There have been numerous studies on the use of hypnosis within cults, for example, to demonstrate how this can be accomplished.
Mark Cunningham discusses in Part 2 of this six-part interview series
What is normal and what is insane?
Acquiescence is where hypnosis begins.
Influence lessons learned in the military
Why do women find Mark fascinating?
Transcript:
Part 2 of 6 of the Mark Cunningham interview
Frank: So here’s a question: if someone has been so thoroughly hypnotized in a cult environment that they are committing acts of violence, to use one specific example, do you, as a professional hypnotist, believe that person is ultimately responsible for his own actions if he was hypnotized into behaving violently?
Mark Cunningham: The compassionate answer is no, but someone has messed with their mind. On the other hand, you have non-cult members wandering around the street unsupervised. We call them citizens, and they have been subjected to hypnotic conditioning since birth, yet we claim that they are fully responsible for their actions.
So, in modern life, what we call normal or sane behavior is that which at least 50% of your social group believes, and that’s really the only foundation we have for what we consider sane or normal. This is how the majority of people feel about these issues.
So, somewhere in there, you can say that if someone has been purposefully conditioned to do certain things, then their free will has been violated, but it’s also true that all hypnosis begins with acquiescence. You can’t talk anyone into anything if there isn’t that initial moment of agreeing with the suggestion.
Frank: I’d like to return to your military career.
Mark Cunningham: Sure thing.
Frank: I understand you can’t discuss some of those details. I do have a specific inquiry.
Yes, Mark Cunningham.
Frank: Did you witness any fighting? Were you really shooting a rifle?
Yes, Mark Cunningham.
Frank: Do you know if you’ve ever killed anyone while serving in the military?
Mark Cunningham: I know for a fact that there are a number of people who I killed in combat.
Frank: I find it very interesting that in the current model of your life, you’re using hypnosis to help people live better lives and clear up some of the internal challenges they may have. I’m curious if you believe your military experience fueled or motivated your current lifestyle as a hypnotist who helps people.
Cunningham, Mark: Yes, yes, and yes in two ways. The first is that I believe I have some karma to work off, and if spending the rest of my life helping people is what it takes, then that is exactly what will happen.
The second is that during my military career, I learned a great deal about controlling myself and influencing others, and I have learned to recycle, retask, and apply those skill sets and personal resources differently in order to address the challenge of knocking people out of their existing mindsets and teaching them a whole, new, and better way of living through life.
Frank: We’re going to take a break, Mark. When we return, we’ll have a conversation with Major Mark Cunningham on Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles.
From 3:22 to 4:51, there is a commercial break.
Frank: You’re listening to Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles, and I’m Frank because it’s necessary. Today I’m in the studio with Mark Cunningham. How are things going, Mark?
Cunningham, Mark: Frank, I’m doing fantastically well.
Frank: So, I’d like to shift the focus of this interview slightly and bring up the subject of the seduction community. When I was researching your products, I noticed that you always came across as a man who adored women. I don’t detect any sort of misogyny or hostility toward women from you. You’ve even stated on several occasions that you adore women. You can’t seem to get enough of them. You consider them to be wonderful.
Mark Cunningham: I believe they are a fantastic concept. Yes, I primarily work with women in my professional job, particularly in hypnosis.
I’ve completed over 18,000 session hours, at least 55% of which have been with women. So, for the past ten to twelve years, I’ve spent my days talking to women about how they move through their lives, what their concerns are, what their opportunities are, what their challenges are, what they need to become fully human, what life they need to feel feminine and sexy, and what they look for in a man.
To be honest, I enjoy the company of ladies. I mean, whenever I go to these suburban parties, and all the males are out front talking about lawn care, I’m in the kitchen with their wives because I like to spend my time with women.
Frank: I have two inquiries for you.
Mark Cunningham: Sure thing.
Frank: The first question I have is, when you say that the majority of your clientele are women, is that a conscious choice on your part or is it simply because in terms of the clientele you’re servicing, you just happen to be servicing a large clientele of women, and the second question I have is, with the amount of time that you spend with all these women, you must have a unique perspective on the way women think on their belief systems and generally you have a grasp for the female m What are your thoughts on those questions?
Cunningham, Mark: The first is that, in general, women are significantly more inclined than males to seek professional assistance. Stoics are the ladies. They are talkers, so if they have an issue in their lives and believe someone can help them, they will seek it out. So, in general, your therapy clients are women.
Beyond that, I like to deal with women, and really, males will come in and start talking about their neurotic half-assed, silly suburbia life, and where I’m happy to talk to women about it, I just want to smack them and say, “Grow a pair!” This is not something you can charge for. So, absolutely, I do seek them out.
Frank: Regarding…
Mark Cunningham: I’ve learnt to comport myself among ladies in ways that encourage them to open up. They are telling me the truth. They’ll sit down and talk to me as if I’m one of the females, but they never forget that I’m also a man.
It’s actually rather amusing. Almost all of my clients will hit on me, and all of the ladies I meet think I’m a fascinating person, and I’m not just saying this to brag. It’s just that I’ve learned to position myself as that man, and I’ve realized that once I get them to open up about themselves, the only sort of guy with whom they’ll be honest, sincere, and forthright is someone they can care truly about, and there I am.
Frank: Okay, here are two more questions for you. The first concerns your male clients.
Mark Cunningham: Sure thing.
Frank: How many of your male clients, in terms of a percentile, do you believe have a significant problem that would necessitate the services of a hypnotherapist or other form of therapy? And how many of them don’t seem to understand what it is to be a guy and tough it out?
Cunningham, Mark: You’re essentially discussing the same people in both categories. Anyone who is stuck, anyone who has a problem with their beliefs, actions, or emotions should definitely go find a competent hypnotist and talk about what’s possible because it makes perfect sense to seek help. Now.
Mark Cunningham discusses a variety of issues in Part 3 of this six-part interview series.
Romance stories conceal seduction secrets.
How to be the type of guy that women find appealing
Why do males need female friends?
The current seduction community’s flaws
Transcript:
Part 3 of 6 of the Mark Cunningham interview
Mark Cunningham: It’s also true… well, it’s my fact that contemporary man has no idea about sucking it up, developing on your own resources, stepping out of that resource deficient position, and simply getting the work done.
We have this thing in the military called preserving the mission, which means that no matter what happens or how much junk falls from heaven above, you still have to get the job done. They’d also drilled into our heads something I still live by: there may be reasons, but there are never excuses.
There is always some reason why you are not going as quickly, getting as far, or doing as much as you would want, but there is never an excuse; you simply pick yourself up and find another method to complete the task. So those two inquiries are essentially aimed at the same people.
Frank: Now you talk about what you do to become that guy, the sort of guy that women will open up to, the kind of guy that ladies will talk to as if you were one of the females, never forgetting that you are a man.
Oh yeah, Mark Cunningham.
Frank: Could you offer me some particular, something specific that a man can model, something specific that he can copy in order to become that guy to whom women will open up on that level?
Mark Cunningham: Actually, if you want the fast and dirty rule, walk down to your neighborhood bookshop and ask the clerks, “What’s your best selling romance title?” Take it home and attempt to figure out what they are on about. The first time you read it, it’s like a thin code, but as you walk through it and drink it up and try to comprehend from a woman’s point of view, you’ll discover that they’re all about males who they consider a big challenge.
He’s a very macho person, someone who is on their own, has their own life, doesn’t really need a woman, holding them at arm’s length, but yet takes them very seriously and gives a lot of attention.
He is someone to whom the lady may confide and know that she will be treated fairly and frankly. It’s not going to be someone who caters to ladies. I mean, after they’ve set criteria, like one of the females I’ve talked to said, “Oh, oh, the lads are going to understand or not comprehend that one.”
But the problem is, women enjoy talking. They like discussing their feelings. So they enjoy talking about themselves, and when they discover a man who is eager to listen, who recalls what they just said and feeds it back to them, they go crazy. It’s the equivalent of putting raw meat in front of a Doberman.
Frank: All right. So, basically, read romance novels and mimic the major leading men in them.
Mark Cunningham: That’s a terrific place to start. You’ll also want to find a lady who is a friend, not someone you’re trying to get into bed or someone you’re trying to con, but someone who will truly chat to you and tell you about clothes.
She’ll tell you how to talk to ladies and what’s vital. She will tell you which ladies are excellent for you, which aren’t, and which are truly available, as opposed to those who claim they are or aren’t. I mean, if a guy has at least one excellent female buddy, he’s on his way.
Frank: Female friends are a major source of stress for a lot of males because they have a lot of female friends who they end up falling in love with, who just keep saying, “No, I just want to be your buddy,” or who get rejected.
Some seduction experts believe that there is no such thing as a female friend. Other seduction experts argue that a female friend is one who assists you in meeting other women; otherwise, she is not your friend. What comes to mind when I say “female friend”?
Mark Cunningham: I’m considering pals. In other words, I have female pals who like watching football with me. On Saturdays, I have female pals who prefer to hang out and conduct errands with me. I have female friends that enjoy having me over and cooking supper together. I mean, I do all kinds of things with these females, and there’s a certain, what’s the word, vibe, a little zing of excitement because there’s always that chance. But I’m not chasing them, and I don’t know many of them who would.
So I’ll just enjoy being a man in their presence. They may enjoy being a woman around me, and it is just known that they will not poach on those friendships. You don’t want to ruin a friendship with one of your man pals, then why would you ruin a friendship with one of your lady friends?
Instead, perhaps you should listen to what she says and look about, realizing that there are uncountable billions of other women out there, many of whom would undoubtedly be interested in you if you only got out of your own way.
Frank: I have an open-ended inquiry for you, Mark.
Mark Cunningham: Absolutely.
Frank: What is your view of the present seduction community, no holds barred and without naming any names?
Cunningham, Mark: Isn’t it wonderful how profitable it is? I mean, it looks to be enormous. There appears to be an unending desire for male advise on how to deal with this entire seduction business.
It’s a little unexpected to me. Many of the techniques I’ve seen are fairly mechanical, in my opinion. They appeared to be more than just methods used on women. The more advanced ones are things you do with women, or they are phrased as things you do with women.
However, they appear to be designed, for the most part, to recreate in you the type of person that the instructor is, to recreate within your current life the life experience of the seduction instructor. It’s as if they’re trying to clone themselves and saying, “If you do these things, you will experience my level of success.”
It’s kind of like watching late-night real estate seminars on TV, where they say, “If you just follow my magical plan, you too can live on a beach in Maui.” You might be able to, but the likelihood of a favorable outcome is quite low. I don’t see enough of what I believe works, which is assistance in changing yourself to be the type of guy that women find attractive.
Frank: You talk about it a lot in your work, and we’ll get back to it. Sorry, I’m getting the signal that we’re about to go commercial.
Mark Cunningham: All right.
Frank: When we meet again, I’d like you to tell me about some of your transformation work.
Mark Cunningham: Sure thing.
Frank: You are now listening to Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles.
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Part 3 comes to an end.
Mark discusses subjects such as in Part 4 of this six-part interview series.
Women find it more appealing to change themselves.
Why does bringing your old self into new situations fail?
Why do you require new belief systems that will benefit you?
Change rehearsal in trance work
Your life must be stable in order to make significant changes.
Transcript:
Part 4 of 6 of the Mark Cunningham interview
Kermit the Frog: You’re listening to Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles, and I’m Frank because it’s necessary. Today I’m in the studio with Mark Cunningham. How are things going, Mark?
Mark Cunningham: I’m doing okay.
Kermit the Frog: Okay, in the previous interview segment, we discussed some of the work you do with your transformation work. Rather than being a seduction instructor who attempts to create clones of themselves, you assist the men involved in changing or unchanging certain aspects of themselves in order to become more attractive men overall.
Mark Cunningham: Correct.
Kermit the Frog: Could you tell me a little bit about your transformation work and some of your products?
Mark Cunningham: All right. My fascination with the seduction community is something. I created this strategy while working with one of the greats in the seduction industry, Ross Jeffries, who and Russell were gracious enough to ask me to participate on his seminars for approximately 6 or 6-1/2 years. We had a great time working together.
Our approaches are different, which is probably why we had so much fun working together, and I learned from talking to thousands upon thousands of seminar attendees that their struggle was not so much with understanding technique, memorizing lines, figuring out approaches, learning where to go, what to wear, and other such things.
Instead, they were always battling the issue. They continued taking their old selves into new situations, hoping to attain good outcomes simply by mouthing phrases or applying tactics, which, of course, does not happen.
So I went off and created my own seduction seminar, which I only presented a handful of times because my entire attitude is to give it straight, deliver it on tape, and then go off and do something more radical with my life.
So we conducted this seminar called Beyond Seduction, which was just a distillation of my tactics. It’s a training session on how to alter yourself to become the type of person who is naturally appealing to women. Because I approach seduction in a lazy man’s manner. I believe I should be able to enter into a situation, glance about, and not only be appealing to a wide range of women, but also to notice the ones that were drawn to me and concentrate on them in order to harvest the low hanging fruit.
Of course, we have a distinct track, which is my mainstream hypnosis track, where we have seminars like the introduction to Marknosis. It’s a collection of conditioning exercises you may practice every day to guarantee that you go ahead and clean away your emotional deadwood, as well as eliminate the trauma or constraint of your self-sabotage from your past.
You get focused on what you actually want to do with belief systems that will work for you, and we show you how to go through a process where you ensure that you stay on course every day, and I like it with the goals that you can dream up now, but becoming the type of person who has an ever increasing, ever improving set of goals.
Kermit the Frog: If someone wants to start today and said, “Mark, I’m not sure where I should start, between your goods and all the other items out there, what would you propose as a fantastic beginning place?”
Mark Cunningham: People look at all of the items I have accessible and think, “Oh my God, how am I supposed to choose something even from your own product line?”
We have something called Hypnotic Awakenings, which is a little CD set. It’s three CDs, I believe, and it’s a presentation on how to recognize the imprint that you received through no fault of your own. All of the well-meaning folks who provided you advise or guidance throughout your life ended up stuffing your mind with garbage. I’ll teach you how to identify all of these imprints and how to break those imprints so that you can not only free yourself from self-sabotage, but also start to utilize all of the energy that has been freed up via a six-step process so that you can move ahead and make your life stable and in order.
Frankly, hardly one makes significant changes in their lives unless they have a very solid situation.
I mean, I get these heartbreaking calls from folks saying things like, “Oh, my God, I’m down to my last $10 and I’m living out of my vehicle with one box of ramen and noodles.” What can you tell me to assist me?” “You know, find a place to live,” I advise them. Find work. Get your life in order so that you can begin doing significant work on yourself.”
The effort you put in for yourself will pay off every day for the rest of your life, so I push folks toward these entry level conditioning exercises so you can become steady, wide awake, and find out what you want to accomplish, and then go out and get it.
Kermit the Frog: So, before learning hypnosis or self-improvement, someone should take care of their fundamental requirements. Is this what I’m getting?
Mark Cunningham: Exactly, and one of the basic needs you have is to identify the things that are holding you back, to identify the people, the situations that are holding you back and learn how to overcome those, to get rid of yourself limiting belief and then out of all the things that you can imagine, and one of the exercises that I teach is how to know if you’re lying to yourself about your goals. In a very basic, proven strategy where you’re only imagining or thinking about anything that your subconscious will really assist you in obtaining.
Kermit the Frog: Now, let’s return to the notion of bettering oneself through hypnosis, and I’ll question as a beginner, are we talking about self-inductions, or putting yourself into trance? Is it possible to change when in trance? Is the transformation instantaneous? What is the most effective way to employ hypnosis for change?
Cunningham, Mark: Yes, trance work is absolutely included. All trance implies is an unnatural obsession, and so you make the things you’re thinking about so fascinating and clean that there are no distractions. You don’t include a supplement. You just create a highly strong and resource-rich experience and then allow yourself to enjoy it. That’s what we call trance work, and when we practice transformation in trance work, two things happen. The first is that you circumvent all of your past self-limitations, but the second is that you can explore in an error-free environment, allowing you to test out different pathways.
Allow the film to play and see how it turns out, this way, that way, how do you feel about that? And, while you’re at it, two things: change is only as tough as you make it. If you feel that change takes a long time and is really tough, you’re working on yourself using hypnosis, and by golly, that’s precisely how the change will occur. If you feel you can walk away from your past as simply as you can put down a bag and walk away from that, you may be in for a really dramatic, very profound shift that occurs in an instant.
Kermit the Frog: Mark, one last question before we go to the next commercial break. Is there anything that hypnosis cannot or will not solve?
Mark Cunningham: Organic physical problems, such as a client in California who was one of the last polio patients and wanted me to assist him in becoming a championship runner. That’s something I can’t do. And, for practical reasons as well as legal concerns, hypnosis should probably not be used on diagnosable mental illnesses.
Kermit the Frog: Thank you very much, Mark. We’re going to go commercial. When we return, there will be more with Mark Cunningham on Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles.
Mark discusses topics such as in Part 5 of this six-part interview series.
What direction the seduction community should take in the future
Why can’t seduction be an end in itself?
How men drive quality women away without even realizing it.
Why you must accept responsibility if you want to improve your relationship with women
Transcript:
Part 5 of 6 of the Mark Cunningham interview
Kermit the Frog: You’re listening to Frank Talks Pleasure and Lifestyles, and I’m Frank because it’s necessary. In studio today with Mark Cunningham. How are you there, Mark?
Cunningham, Mark: I’m good. I’m enjoying this.
Frank Kermit: Oh, me too. This is one of the first seduction-related interviews you’ve done in a long, long time, I believe.
Mark Cunningham: Yes, that’s absolutely correct. When I stepped away from doing the seduction seminars, people assumed I just kind of disappeared into the mainstream hypnosis world.
Kermit the Frog: Well, I have a question for you about the seduction community.
Mark Cunningham: Sure.
Kermit the Frog: This is something that I discussed with a lot of other seduction instructors and gurus. Where do you think the future of this community is going to go?
Cunningham, Mark: Well, I can render an opinion on where I would like to go, which is I would like to see it broaden its focus. In other words, the seduction cannot be an end in and of itself. It’s like taking a tiny little slice of life that’s not all that difficult and blowing it up into this enormous perceived problem and associated solutions.
I would much rather see these people who do have something going broadening their take out to teach more about what it means to be a man in a modern world, and specifically, once you have honed your seduction skills and you’ve developed yourself to the point where you no longer are worried about this, it’s reflexive.
Well, what then do you do in terms of finding women that you genuinely enjoy and building them into your life? What is that like? How do you treat these women on an ongoing basis? What kind of opportunities for pleasures and resources do you have, and what happens next?
Kermit the Frog: You know, I really like this line of thinking that you’re embarking on. I’ve seen this community completely expand on the topic of pickup. It’s all about the pickup. It’s all about your next conquest, and one fundamental thing that’s missing, even amongst some of the instructors and gurus out there, is the lack of relationship management skills, and it amazes me that more people haven’t learned to delve into maintaining relationships because a lot of these well known gurus are able to collect a lot of numbers, collect a lot of lays. They can collect a lot of women in their life, but they can’t keep the women around.
Cunningham, Mark: I’m glad you said that, Frank.
Frank Kermit: Well, I’m not mentioning names because I’m not stupid.
Mark Cunningham: Yeah.
Frank Kermit: But I mean, that is the case. One of the areas that I focus on in my own work really is about relationship management. I mean, that is the whole point that we are here is to have relationships with women.
Mark Cunningham: Right.
Frank Kermit: I think that the majority of guys who study seduction get into it because either they want that one girl that got away, or they just want to get themselves a girlfriend, or they want to get married. They don’t want to be alone. Some of them even want to have families.
I’m part of that category, and learning seduction and pickup is a wonderful step in that process. You need to at least master some of the beginnings of how to initiate a relationship. But how to maintain a relationship is a whole other skill set that I think is just not getting its due attention.
To be fair, Frank, when a guy can’t imagine walking up to and talking to a woman he actually wants, the idea of, “How do I move through the world, accepting as a matter of course, that highly desirable women will be willing to walk through fire just to make me happy because that’s the best way they want to relate to me,” that’s total science fiction for these guys.
Yes, it would be beneficial if the seduction universe’s role models and leaders addressed the larger issues. So, how can you become totally human, as they say? As a male, how do you navigate the world?
Frank Kermit: You know what, I completely agree, and one of the things, and I’ll say it again, you truly enjoy ladies. You come from a position of true love for women, something I believe is lacking in many of the seduction gurus out there who have a deep disdain and disgust with women.
Mark Cunningham: That’s correct, and there’s a small technique I use on males during seduction workshops. When they were talking about these incredibly intrusive, overt methods they were going to employ to influence women, I would start using them on the males in the seminars and it would usually produce an uproar in the seminar while it was still going on, “Why are you treating me like this? Why are you attempting to dupe me? Why are you squeezing me? “What are you doing slamming me?” And I’d explain what they were doing, and they’d be astonished, so I’d say, “Well, isn’t it okay that I do these things to you?” And they say, “Well, no.” “Why would you treat me this way?” “Well, why would you treat a woman like that?” I ask. “How do you think she’ll reply to you?”
Many of the obtrusive, heavy-handed approaches are essentially screening procedures. You drive away the good women, and the only ones who react are the weak and broken women who are ready to put up with that type of nonsense.
Kermit the Frog: Yes, indeed. When I come across… and here is some advise I’m going to ask you right here. I can understand it when I come across a person who has an unfathomable disdain for women. I can see where he’s coming from. When I was at rock bottom in my book, Loser to Seducer, I didn’t have a lot of love in my heart for women.
Mark Cunningham: That’s correct.
Frank Kermit: I get what you’re saying. I can identify with it. It’s an overwhelming sense of frustration. At this point, I tell a guy, “Yeah, you’re frustrated, but that’s all your responsibility.” You must accept responsibility for it, and you must remember that, in the end, if all you want is a connection, any relationship founded on hatred will not be worth having in the long run.
Mark discusses subjects such as in part 6 of this six-part interview series.
How negative emotions and ideas can take over your life
Being a Renegade Hypnotist entails giving up one’s ‘normalcy.’
doing a lot more contentious work
In a matter of hours, you may transform into an entirely new person.
Transcript:
Part 6 of 6 of the Mark Cunningham interview
Kermit the Frog: I’m curious what else you would say to a person in that situation.
Mark Cunningham: They must cleanse themselves of unpleasant emotions. Okay, what occurred, the incident that caused them to feel that way, was almost definitely not as awful as they believe it was, but they had a horrific emotional reaction to it, and that’s what they’re still dragging around, and really, they’re the only people on the planet who are still unhappy about it.
So they cannot see around this unless they learn to let go of that unpleasant emotion, to let go of the hold that negative emotion has on their lives. They are unable to recognize fresh paths that lead to joy, opportunity, fulfillment, or achievement. They must get rid of that garbage before setting out to establish a track record of achievement in all aspects of their lives.
A lot of the time, guys could get over a lot of this garbage if they simply went out and did some physical activity. Get some fresh air. Yes, you should exercise your body. I’m not referring to going to the gym. I’m suggesting that you go on walks, run, or ride your bike. Go out and chat to others, and avoid doing the things that are bothering you to regain some perspective in your life.
Kermit the Frog: So, Mark, I’d want to talk about the joy in your life. What pleasure does it give you to do the work you do because it may help guys make changes and achieve new levels of experience?
Mark Cunningham: It’s incredible. We have a set of testimonial books in which guys write us testimonial letters about what they did, what they learned from me, and the impact it had on their lives, and whenever I’m having a bad day, one of the girls will bring in a testimonial book and just drop it on my desk and say, “Read this until you feel better.” I started flipping through these things and realized how much of a positive impact I’d had on people’s lives, and I thought, “Oh, my God, I’ve got to keep doing this.”
I’m not doing it for the money right now. I could make a lot more money doing something else, but every day, people tell me that I’ve changed their lives forever. There is no other field that provides such immediate positive feedback.
Kermit the Frog: What are some of the sacrifices you’ve had to make in order to continue being Mark Cunningham, Renegade Hypnotist?
Mark Cunningham: I had to abandon my normalcy. Okay, there are many people who dismiss the fact that I worked with men on issues such as seduction and lifestyle. I’ve done a lot of work in the ultimate sexuality community, and I’ve gotten a lot of flak for it. Even as a hypnotist, it places me so far outside the mainstream. In fact, if I were a psychologist doing the same work, I’d have no trouble communicating. There would be a box in which people could place me, and everything would be fine. It’s not an easy way of life to make the conscious decision to never be normal again.
Kermit the Frog: Mark, I have one more question before we sign off.
Mark Cunningham: Sure thing.
Kermit the Frog: Where do you see yourself in ten and fifteen years?
Mark Cunningham: Actually, I’d like to be doing a lot more controversial work, to tell you the truth. At that point, I’ll be wrapped up with my mainstream career. All my teaching materials will be canned and out there and I’ll be free to go ahead and teach some of the things that I know how to do, that are just so amazing so radically transforming that they are highly controversial now. I can’t imagine they are going to be any more acceptable in ten years.
Kermit the Frog: What are we talking about here?
Mark Cunningham: Being able to totally transform your personality within a couple of hours, for example. And by totally transforming your personality, I mean become a whole another person.
Kermit the Frog: Now, are we talking here stage hypnosis? Are we talking here legitimately?
Mark Cunningham: Legitimately. Then my research, I’ve done enough of research projects and I have discovered some ways of manipulating, well, I’m going to teaching people next month in my class on regression and memory, but there are things you can do by manipulating an individual’s sense of time and memory so that they literally become a completely separate person in a matter of a couple of hours.
Frank Kermit: Some…
Mark Cunningham: Okay, it’s highly controversial in the therapy field, and we start talking about doing this in terms of recreational conditioning. Yeah, yeah, people get them. Some people get wildly upset about it. Other people are like, “Oh my God, just tell me how to do this.”
Frank Kermit: Well, I mean, I’m listening to this now and I’m thinking, well, on the pro side, you have the ability to help people who have gone through such traumatic experiences that by almost eliminating the memories or becoming a whole new person, who’s either better able to deal with the trauma or becoming a person who’s never had to deal with that trauma directly because you’ve played around with the memory, I can see that as a positive thing.
Mark Cunningham: That’s correct.
Frank Kermit: But also it comes into the whole “do we play god here.”
Mark Cunningham: Yeah. Oh yeah, and in the wrong hands do you have people out there creating their own little love zombies.
Kermit the Frog: And you know this is a very interesting question. We are going to try to stretch this a little bit just to see if we can get in this last one question here. Is it better for people…
Mark Cunningham: You should have brought it up sooner.
Kermit the Frog: Yeah. Is it better for people to know all the truth and the tactics out there, or do you think that it should only be in the hands of a select few who will wield it with responsibility?
Mark Cunningham: Well, I got beaten pretty badly this past weekend where I was in a meeting of hypnotists and they were saying that I had an obligation to let this stuff loose on the world. Right now I don’t agree with that because I know from my experience with the seduction community, just teaching guys how to use elementary hypnotic technique in conversation, guys are going out there and doing things which I would never condone, never accept, and I wish I hadn’t taught them how to do it.
Now, if I give them actual, high impact, irreversible hypnotic technique, I’m not so sure they are going to go out and do sane and beneficial things.
Kermit the Frog: Mark, this was a fantastic show. Thank you so much for your willingness to come out and talk to us here on Frank Talks about your life in the seduction community and your life as a hypnotist helping people.
Mark Cunningham: You bet, Frank. I had a good time.
Kermit the Frog: We definitely invite you to come back to do another Frank Talks with us.
Mark Cunningham: Sure, just give me a call.
Kermit the Frog: I will. You’re listening to Frank Talks Pleasures and Lifestyles. Good night, everybody.
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